2006-12-23 [Artsieladie]: Very interesting, indeed! I would always be in a "horse-photo-badge-making mood"...anything with a horse, of course!!! *nickers*

2006-12-24 [Atayemi]: Do all photos have to be new? :S

2006-12-24 [moira hawthorne]: §4 By submitting the images here, you agree on letting them to be free for any kind of usage. Elftown will incite people to tell that the images are from you and Elftown, but we'll not enforce that. So the images might be used for homepages, for photo-manipulations and drawing references.

on or off of elftown?

2006-12-25 [Hedda]: It says "Any kind of usage". This competition is created so that we get really free images, otherwise it's totally useless. How fun is it to create a great image and then not be able to use, sell or do as you please with it?

Of course it's still not allowed to use a copied images on your Elftown presentation, but that's an Elftown rule, not legal stuff.

2006-12-25 [Hedda]: [Atayemi]: It doesn't matter from when the photos are, as long they are yours and you're ready to give them away.

2006-12-25 [moira hawthorne]: well I suppose Hedda it depends.. on how much the next person changes it...

if A artist's photo is being used as reference for a total new peice of art created by B artist.. than B artist has a right to sell it and make money... without A being offended... too much... BUT if B artist were to take A artist's photo and sell with little or no changes made... A artist would have a right to be upset...

plus I removed the photo that had my son in it.. if Im not gionna know where its being used...

2006-12-26 [Lady Di]: is there a limit to the number of pictures we can submit??

2006-12-26 [Hedda]: [moira hawthorne]: No, it doesn't depend here. The photos should be free. So if anyone wants to sell them, they are welcome to (Not that I get why anyone would buy them, as they are free here.). It will save the ones using the images a lot of problems as they don't have to read horrible legal texts to figure out how they can use the image.

[Lady Di]: Please don't submit more than 10 000 images... So: No. Try to put the best ones on top or on a special page though.

2006-12-26 [Hedda]: I've taken about 40 images yesterday Can't upload them until next year though.

2006-12-26 [moira hawthorne]: what is complicated about ... 'you can use my photos for reference to make your own art.. but not claim my work as your own?'

2006-12-26 [Hedda]: That doesn't say anything about if the photo can be a part of a photo manipulation or not.

If the photos aren't totally free to use, they should not be here. There are already millions of horse photos on the Internet with crappy licenses which basically say "You can use this, but if you make money of it, we'll try to steal them from you." so there is no need for Elftown to provide such photos. Or: Say what you want, but I'm not interested in helping to provide unfree horse photos and therefore the rules above.

2006-12-26 [moira hawthorne]: but photo manipulation is making art .. in my mind...

2006-12-27 [H3_six]: This is a great idea.

2006-12-30 [Lady Di]: ya i work at a horse barn and over the years i've taken a tone of pics...but i can't decide which ones i like the most which is why i asked :P

2006-12-30 [moira hawthorne]: I worked at an English stable and rode for 7 yrs... but I only had a few photos... very few... and all lost over the years... well the could be somewhere in this house but where is anyone guess...

2006-12-30 [Zab]: Do we need permission from the horses owners, to submit photos we have taken of their horses? (I suppose I could ask my old school if it's ok, but...)
And is it okay to blur out the faces on humans riding them? I don't want to ask all of them for permission..x)
I have some quite sharp photos of jumping horses..

2006-12-31 [Zab]: Also want to add (when I finally read all the comments..x) that I think it's a great idea with completely free images!
I've seen a lot of stock photos that's free to use as long as you mention who made them. But if I make a manipulation using 5 different photos, it's just too much work remembering all the names (yah..I'm lazy..). Of course I'd most probably say I didn't take the photo, and perhaps if I got all of them from, let's say DA, I'd say they're from DA. But not the names of everyone who took the picture.
When it comes to others claiming that they had taken the photos..if they wrote ''I took these with my camera'' I'd be a bit pissed because it's a lie, (but really..what to do about it anyway?) but if they made a manip and just didn't mention that the photos wasn't theirs I wouldn't mind too much when I've put them up here.
So I think it's a great idea. :D

2006-12-31 [moira hawthorne]: that's basically my point...

IF the photo been USED to create new art... as reference for a CG painting... or a drawing... or as part of a photomanip... I dont mind if they dont name me... tho it be nice...

I know people who want their brushs they created linked back to them when they are used... but if you put them into your computer to use in photoshop ect... there isnt a way to note who's they were... and months later while working Im likely not to remember...

BUT I wouldnt want someone to use my photo without making it theirs in any way... and claim its theirs.. or their horse... I *hate* that kind of theif! its just so cheeep...

2007-01-01 [Hedda]: [moira hawthorne]: Manipulating a photo isn't "making it yours".

If someone is a lying bastard, they of course don't care about if the photos are free to use. So the conversation is irrelevant for the rules here. And I'm not going to change any rules, of course.

2007-01-01 [moira hawthorne]: you dont consider photomanips art?

I do.
I put a lot of creativity and effort and time into my photomanips. the finished art in mine.. b/c it never existed before I made it.. its greater than the sum of the photos used to assemble it...

and we are just having a discussion... I never said anything about changing the rules...

2007-01-01 [Hedda]: You don't consider photomanips art?

That's not what I said. I said that editing a photo doesn't make it yours.

2007-01-01 [moira hawthorne]: well I was talking about making art from the photo references... whether its photomanips or CG or drawing or painting or whatever...

you quoted one part of what I said and took it out of context...

2007-01-02 [Hedda]: Whee! This wiki-page has already started to appear on top of Google's searches for "horse photos", "horse photo" and "photo reference"! We're famous!

2007-01-02 [Zab]: Yay! :D

2007-01-02 [Atayemi]: Whee! :D

2007-01-02 [Artsieladie]: Woot!

2007-01-03 [Dark Side of the Moon]: Aw poo. My favourite subject in the whole world and I neither own a digi-cam nor live near horses. *sulk*

2007-01-03 [Hedda]: [Dark Side of the Moon]: I'm sure you can find some solution to that
It's not that hard to find a horse and you can borrow a camera.

2007-01-04 [Dark Side of the Moon]: Yes, I'm sure that I can borrow my parent's camera. Ooh, and I do work with a lady that has horses. Maybe it's not hopeless after all!

2007-01-04 [Hedda]: I hope it goes well! I've just made Hand photo reference as there was no horse right here

2007-01-04 [Dark Side of the Moon]: Now there is something I can use! I already know how to draw horses but can't draw a hand to save my life!

2007-01-04 [moira hawthorne]: hands are evil eeeeevvvvvvvviiiiillll I say!

2007-01-26 [Nyaah*]: ^.^ can i join the competition? i got alot of horse pictures from mongolia, and some from my own horses! though on the pics from mongolia there are sure people that i cant really asked if they agree with beeing displayed here..

2007-01-26 [Zab]: If you've taken the pictures it's ok. :) Maybe you can blur the faces of the people you can't ask to agree on being displayed here, just to be sure? :)

2007-01-26 [Nyaah*]: haha i dont think those people will ever be in the internet in their whole lifes but ok. though it will look abit weird i will blur the faces.

2007-01-26 [Zab]: I don't think it's necessary, but I did it on my photos just to make sure:P

2007-02-07 [Ricco]: I added some photos..hope they are ok!

2007-02-07 [Hedda]: Whee! More horsies!

Very nice photos!

2007-02-07 [Ricco]: thank you!!:D

2007-02-15 [Kaelin]: Just realized I had a bunch of photos from horse camps that I could scan.

2007-02-15 [Hedda]: Should we extend the deadline a little? Anyone about to get some more photos?

2007-02-15 [Lady Di]: *shrugs* doesn't matta to moi

2007-02-15 [Nyaah*]: yea.. i actually planed to get some more the next days..maybe...

2007-02-15 [Angelic nightmares]: I was gonna try to get some over the weekend

2007-02-16 [Hedda]: OK, I'll wait until Monday then.

2007-02-16 [Angelic nightmares]: Thanks [Hedda]

2007-02-16 [Lycaon pictus]: I'm getting more photos tomorrow!

2007-02-16 [Hedda]: Hurry!

2007-02-17 [Demon Epona]: Oh drat!! Is the contest still going? *points up* But it says the dead line was yesterday. I'd love to enter it...

2007-02-17 [Hedda]: It says above that the deadline is extended to Monday

2007-02-17 [Demon Epona]: Oh, XD! Sorry, [Hedda]! Thank you!

2007-02-17 [Lycaon pictus]: Darn.. I won't be able to upload the photos at the moment. So I guess I'll have to add it later on, even though that the contest is now. *Shrugs*

2007-02-18 [Demon Epona]: OK. I've uploaded, but I've got a question. Does making a 'good page' mean the quality of the photos, a good description, the number of photos, or the places where they were taken... Because I live in southern AZ where there isn't much grass, so most of the photos are just dirt with greenish trees in the background.

2007-02-18 [Hedda]: It means the photos and a little about the comments. I can't see why any of the non-horse parts of the images have to do with the competition. What we want are pictures of horses in different positions to help people draw horses or parts of them.

2007-02-18 [Demon Epona]: ^^ Oh, ok thanks.

2007-02-18 [Ricco]: great photos everyone!! we have a big variety of horses!!^^

2007-02-18 [Demon Epona]: ^^ Yeah! Good job everyone!

2007-02-21 [Lady Di]: soooo i thought this contest was gonna end on monday?? me confuzzled

2007-02-21 [Ricco]: yeah me too:S

2007-02-21 [Demon Epona]: ...I think Monday meaning two days ago. And due to the time zones, it's the next day earlier on Elftown, than may be in the area we all live in.

2007-02-22 [Lady Di]: well technically, here, it's 12:16am on thursday :P...and the time zones are thaaaat far behind hehehe

2007-02-22 [Hedda]: OK, I'll let you do some voting before I try to sort this out

By having the poll here, I hope there are only people interested in these photos who will vote, so we will get a pretty good clue about what is best before I put up a final poll. 

2007-02-22 [Ricco]: great!

2007-02-22 [moira hawthorne]: hard to chooose! there are 6 that have photos that more than excellent!

2007-02-24 [Lady Di]: *holds a picket sign* vote for me! :P

2007-02-25 [Lady Di]: hey [Hedda], maybe you should publicize this poll a lil so we can get more votes!

2007-02-25 [Ricco]: yeah, that would be better...

2007-02-25 [Demon Epona]: ...Maybe a Main Street poll? Just a suggestion though. :)

2007-03-23 [xido]: Great horsies! x.o)
-will

2007-03-23 [Nyaah*]: what is happening next? it seems a little dead here :(

2007-03-23 [Hedda]: Oh... It's waiting for me to finish it... I'm a little busy now though.

2007-04-22 [Hedda]: I'm working on the page... Nothing final yet!

2007-04-22 [Hedda]: OK, now all contributers should have been badged and this is the final result from the [Hedda] jury with help of you!

2007-04-22 [moira hawthorne]: congrats to everyone!

2007-04-22 [Nyaah*]: YAY ^^

2007-04-22 [Demon Epona]: ^^ Great job everyone!

2007-04-23 [Ricco]: yeah, congrats everybody!!:D

2007-05-09 [SexyBrat_69]: I think all of the horses were beautiful,I have a bunch of horses too....